Comments on: The Stars Whiteout http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/ chromewaves Sun, 20 May 2012 15:08:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mike http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12111 Mike Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:34:10 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12111 thanks for bringing seachange back to my memory again, i only saw them once, when they came to germany with the "lay of the land" album and they where brilliant. thanks for bringing seachange back to my memory again, i only saw them once, when they came to germany with the "lay of the land" album and they where brilliant.

]]> By: glurpy http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12110 glurpy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:00:46 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12110 It was photoshopped behind him. Brett was quite upset with then for doing that. Isn't it about time for a critical reappraisal of Suede? Brilliant band. It was photoshopped behind him. Brett was quite upset with then for doing that. Isn’t it about time for a critical reappraisal of Suede? Brilliant band.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12109 Bruce Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:09:26 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12109 With Suede, I remember the general tenor of the pronouncements at the time, which had little to do with any movement like Britpop (which Suede predated), and more to do with the power of the singles, the strength of the songwriting, the Bowie-esque guitar and the attendant glam, melodrama and androgyny (with all its cheekiness). Sure they were embraced by England as its own, but definitely a far cry from the yobbishness of Oasis, the would-be standard-bearers of Britpop.<br /> <br /> I think the essence of Anderson's comments distancing Suede from Britpop is his disdain for the "fake working-class" ethic that characterised the movement (which I think is aimed more at Blur than Oasis, but perhaps doesn't give Albarn's observational wit the credit it deserves). Despite the occasional slumming, Suede was always a bit more sophisticated than that.<br /> <br /> And for what it's worth, in that magazine cover pose (see Idolator), it looks suspiciously like the Union Jack is Photoshopped in behind him. With Suede, I remember the general tenor of the pronouncements at the time, which had little to do with any movement like Britpop (which Suede predated), and more to do with the power of the singles, the strength of the songwriting, the Bowie-esque guitar and the attendant glam, melodrama and androgyny (with all its cheekiness). Sure they were embraced by England as its own, but definitely a far cry from the yobbishness of Oasis, the would-be standard-bearers of Britpop.

I think the essence of Anderson’s comments distancing Suede from Britpop is his disdain for the "fake working-class" ethic that characterised the movement (which I think is aimed more at Blur than Oasis, but perhaps doesn’t give Albarn’s observational wit the credit it deserves). Despite the occasional slumming, Suede was always a bit more sophisticated than that.

And for what it’s worth, in that magazine cover pose (see Idolator), it looks suspiciously like the Union Jack is Photoshopped in behind him.

]]> By: Adam K. http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12108 Adam K. Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:14:16 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12108 I'm so disappointed that I missed the Jews show. Why did it have to be on the first day back to school? Had it been two days earlier, I would have been all over it.<br /> <br /> Hopefully it's not another career's time until Berman is back in TO... I’m so disappointed that I missed the Jews show. Why did it have to be on the first day back to school? Had it been two days earlier, I would have been all over it.

Hopefully it’s not another career’s time until Berman is back in TO…

]]> By: meegs http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12107 meegs Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:31:46 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12107 Silver Jews show was brilliance. Dylan/Waits/Cohen hybrid bliss. What a beautiful show & perfect way to wrap up a summer of above-average shows tidily. So sorry you missed it, Frank!!!! Silver Jews show was brilliance. Dylan/Waits/Cohen hybrid bliss. What a beautiful show & perfect way to wrap up a summer of above-average shows tidily. So sorry you missed it, Frank!!!!

]]> By: meg http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12106 meg Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:09:08 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12106 "Zoilus has posted the the complete email transcript of his interview with Silver Jew David Berman that went into the piece in Tuesday's The Globe & Mail. I opted to skip the show at Lee's on Tuesday night - how was it?"<br /> <br /> if you were a silver jews fan, last night made your dreams come true. if you weren't before, you are now. or else you're probably dead. ;) "Zoilus has posted the the complete email transcript of his interview with Silver Jew David Berman that went into the piece in Tuesday’s The Globe & Mail. I opted to skip the show at Lee’s on Tuesday night – how was it?"

if you were a silver jews fan, last night made your dreams come true. if you weren’t before, you are now. or else you’re probably dead. ;)

]]> By: Frank http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12105 Frank Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:01:53 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12105 oh, I agree - Suede definitely laid groundwork for the return of overt Britishness, but they never fit in with textbook Britpop, either chronologically or stylistically. But that didn't stop journos from lumping them in just because it was easier for them, and that didn't really hurt Suede's career either - you can't tell me that "Coming Up" wasn't geared to take advantage of the landscape at the time.<br /> <br /> But regardless - "Dog Man Star" is a godhead of an album, The Tears were far better than they should have been and I haven't heard any of Brett's solo stuff. But any time he rings up Bernard, they'll have my attention.<br /> <br /> Idolator is going on about this as well:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://idolator.com/400904/news-flash--suede-werent-britpop" rel="nofollow">http://idolator.com/400904/...</a> oh, I agree – Suede definitely laid groundwork for the return of overt Britishness, but they never fit in with textbook Britpop, either chronologically or stylistically. But that didn’t stop journos from lumping them in just because it was easier for them, and that didn’t really hurt Suede’s career either – you can’t tell me that "Coming Up" wasn’t geared to take advantage of the landscape at the time.

But regardless – "Dog Man Star" is a godhead of an album, The Tears were far better than they should have been and I haven’t heard any of Brett’s solo stuff. But any time he rings up Bernard, they’ll have my attention.

Idolator is going on about this as well:

http://idolator.com/400904/…

]]> By: Barnett http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12104 Barnett Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:57:19 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12104 To be fair Suede never went out of their way to be part of the brit-pop thing (which was entirely media created anyway, which might explain your sarcasm) aside from very early on. Certainly the second LP was about as far from a brit-pop record as they could have gotten. Often lost in this argument is that the members of Suede very rarely socialized with the rest of that scene, and preferred to sort of wall themselves off in west London with close friends and just make music. It's funny how little credit Brett gets for keeping his band together after Bernard left. They were actually more successful post Dog Man Star. Of course, they have been written out of history, not because of a poor last album but for the very reason they were compelling to begin with - they never fit in and can not be compartmentalized with the Damons and Noels of the world. Brett's massive drug use did him and the band no favors, but he has come out of it now and contrary to popular opinion, has just written a really good album. To be fair Suede never went out of their way to be part of the brit-pop thing (which was entirely media created anyway, which might explain your sarcasm) aside from very early on. Certainly the second LP was about as far from a brit-pop record as they could have gotten. Often lost in this argument is that the members of Suede very rarely socialized with the rest of that scene, and preferred to sort of wall themselves off in west London with close friends and just make music. It’s funny how little credit Brett gets for keeping his band together after Bernard left. They were actually more successful post Dog Man Star. Of course, they have been written out of history, not because of a poor last album but for the very reason they were compelling to begin with – they never fit in and can not be compartmentalized with the Damons and Noels of the world. Brett’s massive drug use did him and the band no favors, but he has come out of it now and contrary to popular opinion, has just written a really good album.

]]> By: danieljosef http://www.chromewaves.net/2008/09/the-stars-whiteout/comment-page-1/#comment-12103 danieljosef Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:05:19 +0000 http://chromewaves.webfactional.com/?p=2638#comment-12103 Looks like Santogold has been moved to the Guverment, its already on sale via ticketmaster ($25). Looks like Santogold has been moved to the Guverment, its already on sale via ticketmaster ($25).

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